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#1
I Found it on  veritaserum yesterday and i was like wowwwwwwwwwwwww.
Its really great : ) : )
i would never think of that.





I think Mrs. Dursely was by chance at the Potter's house the night they died. i beleive James gave Mrs. Dursley the invisibility cloak to hide under knowing that since she did not have magical powers Voldermort would not sense that she is there under the cloak or that he just wouldnt care. Mrs. Dursley witness the deaths and that is why she is so emotional when it comes to her sister and magic. I believe dudley might have been under the cloak as well. (possibly could tie into the dementor scene and worst memory). Anyway I believe Mrs. Dursley was instructed by james or lily to send a owl to Dumbledore should anything happen to them. so dumbledore took Mrs. Dursley to his office while she was under the cloak still and heard the story and since then he made the safety pact and has kept in contact with her. I believe Mrs. Dursley knew before Mr. dursley that they were going to have to take care of harry.



First, we know that Dumbledore was in communication with Petunia before Harry was left on their doorstep. Jo said:
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What did Dumbledore's Howler to Aunt Petunia mean? ('Remember my last'?)


So: Dumbledore is referring to his last letter, which means, of course, the letter he left upon the Dursleys' doorstep when Harry was one year old. But why then (you may well ask) did he not just say 'remember my letter?' Why did he say my last letter? Why, obviously because there were letters before that…

Now let the speculation begin, and mind you type clearly, I'll be watching…


Second, we know that we will find out what Dudley saw in his worst memory:
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Amy: What did Dudley see when he faced the Dementors in book five?
JK Rowling replies -> Ah, good question. You'll find out!


However, that being said, I don't know on the dudley thing. I mean, part of me really likes it. The other part says that Dudley sure seemed surprised when Harry turned out to be a wizard. So, I'm torn on that part. Here's how I see it going.

Lily was still close to her sister, loved her sister despite her being a muggle, and her sister's resentment. Did you ever wonder why ever Lily brought James around Petunia so that Petunia could have heard about the Dementors? If Petunia really rejected her sister like she claims around Vernon, then why would Lily want to bring her boyfriend/husband around her? Perhaps Lily and Petunia were closer than we think. Perhaps, when Lily and James went into hiding, Lily had Peter write a slip of paper to Petunia much like Dumbledore did to Harry. Petunia then knew where they were and went to see her sister. She was there when Voldemort came, surprising them all. In a rush, James or Lily threw the Invisibility cloak over Petunia's head to protect her and to hide her from Voldemort. Voldemort did not sense Petunia since she is not magical, and could not see her since he is not as powerful as Dumbledore. Petunia watched as her sister as she was killed. She knew enough of the Wizarding world to know that owls were used to send messages, and that Dumbledore was the person that needed to know. She wrote a note to dumbledore, telling him what happened, and found an owl, perhaps one that the potters had there already, and sent a note to dumbledore. Dumbledore then communicated with dumbledore much like Harry did in book 5, very quickly. Dumbledore told her to leave, and to return back to the house. Perhaps he told her that he would send harry there, perhaps not. But she returned, and Dumbledore sent her one "last" letter, explaining why Harry needed to stay.

But why would this all be "crutial" to book 7? Well, first, it would show that Petunia is not really as evil and hearless as she appears to harry. We know this about Petunia:

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Is Aunt Petunia a Squib?
Good question. No, she is not, but—[Laughter]. No, she is not a Squib. She is a Muggle, but—[Laughter]. You will have to read the other books. You might have got the impression that there is a little bit more to Aunt Petunia than meets the eye, and you will find out what it is. She is not a squib, although that is a very good guess. Oh, I am giving a lot away here. I am being shockingly indiscreet.

There is more to Petunia than she seems. The often quoted, enigmatic phrase. Perhaps now it makes sense. Petunia is not magical, Jo tells us at another point (you can look it up in accioquote if you want). But her being a squib is a very good guess. So what is it? Perhaps it could be that Petunia knows more about the magical world than it seems, because she learned about it from her sister. she learned about it, because they were close, not best friends or anything, but just sisters, as sisters are. They love each other. They hate each other, are jealous of each other, but love each other too.

It could also be important because it would provide harry with two things:

1) he could finally get a first-hand account of the story. Perhaps Petunia might know something we do not.

2) it would give an indication of how much everyone knew beforehand. She might have Dumbledore's letters, be able to give them to harry to read and see how much was known. She might have the key to knowing if Snape is good or not. She could know so many things.

Petunia would be the key because she would be a fairly unbiased party to the events. Petunia could be the key to it all. Not to where the horcruxes are, or anything like that. But the key to knowing what happend, and why, and who knew. That much, at least.
#2
Harry Potter Movies / Re: just saw the new movie
July 16, 2007, 12:03:11 AM
:(:( i DIdnt like the movie that much :|:|:|
Book from my point of view is aloot better
#3
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#4
Harry Potter Books / Re: Snape?!
July 15, 2007, 09:23:47 AM

The Unbreakable Vow.   Now here we enter murky territory.   This is where a lot of people sway over to the dark side.   Literally.   Instead of arguing little bits and pieces, I'm going to give you my theory as to what happened.

Snape came over to Dumbledore.   Insert some powerful magical something here that caused Dumbledore to trust him here.   Snape became a double agent, spying on Voldemort for Dumbledore.   From this moment on, Snape knew he was in dangerous territory.   Voldemort fell.   Dumbledore never believed, even for a moment, that Voldemort was really gone.   He always believed that Voldemort would rise again.   Surely, he and Snape had some sort of plan for when Voldemort did rise again.   Surely that plan included something that allowed Snape to do whatever necessary to convince Voldemort and the Death Eaters to believe that he was, in fact, a Death Eater.   Especially since he lived in a life of relative luxury after Voldemort fell.   He had to do things, powerful magical things, to convince them that he was still evil at heart.   While Dumbledore trusts people, Voldemort does not.   He was not going to take Snape's word for it.   He needed proof.   Dumbledore and Snape had 13 years to come up with a plan—something that would convince Voldemort.   We don't know what that was, but apparently it worked.   He still had to keep up appearances, though.   How would it have looked had he not made the Unbreakable Vow?   Bellatrix would have confirmed her suspicions and probably pulled Narcissa over with her.   No.   He had to make the Vow.   You'll notice he hesitated.   I think it was because he didn't want to do it, but he knew that he had to.   

He then came back and told Dumbledore what he had done.   Dumbledore, not wanting to turn Draco into a murder, and not wanting Snape to die, told Snape that he had to do it.   He had to kill Dumbledore.     Snape, of course, didn't like this idea.   He didn't want to kill the one person in the world that trusted him completely.   Especially since, by killing him, Snape would lose all trust from anyone one else in the Order.   But alas, it had to be done; he agreed to do it.   


Partway into the semester, Hagrid overheard Dumbledore and Snape arguing in the forest.   "Well — I jus' heard Snape sayin' Dumbledore took too much fer granted an' maybe he — Snape — didn' wan' ter do it anymore — ... It sounded like Snape was feelin' a bit overworked, tha's all — anyway, Dumbledore told him flat out he'd agreed ter do it an' that was all ther was to it.   Pretty firm with him."   As you read the book initially, you probably came to the same conclusion Harry did—that Snape wasn't doing his job investigating the opal necklace in Slytherin.   However, I don't think so.   I think he was talking about trying to get information out of Malfoy and having to kill Dumbledore.   We've already discussed why Snape wouldn't want to kill Dumbledore, so it's obvious as to why this would be a strain on him.   At a junction like this, wouldn't it just be easier to die?   It looks as if Snape is starting to feel the strain of it and Dumbledore is telling him to hold strong.   Snape agreed to do it, and that was the end of it.   


... Oh, and I'm out of time.   Sorry dear Moon Lizard friend, but my end of term exams call.   Studying must be done.   I hope that I at least gave you a firm base on which to consider this view.   I stand firm that Snape is loyal to the Order of the Phoenix.   I'll admit, after my first read, I had been iffy.   My initial reaction was that Snape was good.   I had my reasonings, too.   But then I heard some really good arguments as to why he was bad.   I was swayed.   I was confused.   I just reread all 6 books this semester.   (Or, rather, listened to them all.)   I am now convinced that my gut instinct was correct.   Snape is not loyal to the Death Eaters; Snape is loyal to the Order of the Phoenix.   Somehow, he is going to play a huge role in book 7—in helping Harry.   I don't know how, but he is going to do it.   True, Harry will never trust Snape again, but you can't really fault him for that.

ּI suppose we'll only know the real answer in July.   Perhaps I'll eat my words.   Perhaps I'll gloat in triumph.   But for the information given thus far, I stand firm.   I hate Snape.   I think he's a git, an idiot, and a slimeball.   Not to mention the biggest jerk to roam the face of the earth.   But I still trust him.






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Snape is not a stupid man. On the contrary, he has proven himself to be quite bright over the course of the series. He arrived on the rooftop, saw Dumbledore defenseless, and Snape saw not one, but two broomsticks--- just as Draco Malfoy did.
Malfoy stepped forwards, glancing around quickly to check that he and Dumbledore were alone. His eyes fell upon the second broom.
"Who else is here?"
Snape is a smarter guy than Malfoy -- two broomsticks and only one rider? I contend that Snape knew or suspected right away that Harry Potter was somewhere nearby concealed underneath his Invisibility Cloak. With this information, Dumbledore’s pleading makes more sense. Dumbledore is not pleading for his own life; he is pleading for Snape to save Harry’s life! And Snape does exactly that by hurrying the Death Eaters off the rooftop immediately.
Harry felt as though he, too, were hurtling through space; it had not happened...it could not have happened...
"Out of here, quickly," said Snape.
He seized Malfoy by the scruff of the neck and forced him through the door ahead of the rest..."
In fact, Snape saves Harry’s life again near Hagrid’s house. A Death Eater has apparently used the Cruciatus Curse on Harry.
But before he could finish this jinx, excruciating pain hit Harry; he keeled over in the grass, someone was screaming, he would surely die of this agony, Snape was going to torture him to death or madness-
"No!" roared Snape’s voice and the pain stopped as suddenly as it had started; Harry lay curled on the dark grass, clutching his wand and panting; somewhere above him Snape was shouting, "Have you forgotten our orders? Potter belongs to the Dark Lord -- we are to leave him! Go! Go!"


& one more:

. When Flitwick arrives at Snape’s office to tell Snape about the Death Eaters' attack, Snape stupefies Flitwick and encounters Hermione and Luna outside his office and tells them to help Flitwick. Here is Remus Lupin’s comment in Chapter 29:
"It’s not your fault," said Lupin firmly. "Hermione, had you not obeyed Snape and got out of the way, he would have killed you and Luna."
This begs the question: If Snape is a Death Eater through and through, why didn’t he kill Hermione? This encounter was a perfect opportunity for Snape to dispatch the annoying, know-it-all Mudblood, whom he has hated since Book 1, with a quick Avada Kedavra.


#5
Harry Potter Books / Re: Snape?!
July 15, 2007, 09:22:21 AM

Dumbledore's trust.   For some reason, Dumbledore started trusting Snape before Voldemort fell.   Who knows why.   Seriously, the answer to that question alone would solve a whole lot of problems.   I believe it was on more than Snape's word alone.   Dumbledore knows that Snape is an excellent Occlumens and potions master.   He would not try to use Legilimency nor Veritiserum against Snape, just as he doesn't try to use it against Slughorn.   All the Snape-is-evil folks out there would argue that Dumbledore simply trusts too easily.   Snape came back with a good sob story and some sort of evidence and suddenly Dumbledore trusts him.   Besides, book six is all about showing how Dumbledore could be wrong and how when he makes mistakes, he makes big mistakes.   What if this was his biggest mistake yet?   

Sure, good arguments.   I don't agree.   Dumbledore trusts more than most and gives second chances to those that probably don't deserve it.   However, he is not an idiot.   Snape was a Death Eater.   He admitted it flat out.   Dumbledore may forgive and give him a second chance, hoping that Snape was telling the truth, but I don't see him trusting Snape on word alone.   For example.   Dumbledore went out and got Tom Riddle from the orphanage.   He saw the attitude Tom Riddle had adopted; he didn't like it.   While Tom Riddle won over all of the other teachers with his good looks and suave mannerisms, Dumbledore was not fooled.   Harry asked him why he never warned the other teachers.   Dumbledore explained that he hoped Tom would change.   He didn't want to taint Tom's reputation; he wanted to give Tom a second chance.   However, he never trusted him.   Tom did nothing that could be traced back to him.   He was everyone's favorite.   However, he still never won Dumbledore's trust.   Even before he became Lord Voldemort, back when he was still an "innocent" student, he was untrusted by Dumbledore.   So why then, would Dumbledore trust Snape—an admitted Death Eater—on his word alone?   No.   I don't believe it.   I believe that Dumbledore had to have used some sort of magic, something very powerful, to have fully given his trust to Snape.   Especially during the years that Harry was at school.   It was no secret that Snape hated Harry and did everything in his power to get him expelled from school.   Why would Dumbledore trust someone that is trying to remove the only person who can defeat Voldemort from the safest place he could possibly be?   He wouldn't—not unless there was some very good reason.   

Besides.   If you can't trust Dumbledore, who can you trust?

Defense Against the Dark Arts post.   Dumbledore knew that Voldemort had effectively jinxed the DADA job.   No teacher had ever lasted more than one year after Riddle had applied for it with Dumbledore.   Ever.   Snape did not know this fact.   Otherwise, why would he have kept applying for it?   He wanted to stay at Hogwarts.   He told Bellatrix that multiple times.   He had a good job, why would he want to leave?   He believed Dumbledore did not give him the position because Dumbledore feared it would put him too close with the Dark Arts and tempt him back over.   Dumbledore, however, had different reasons.   He wanted Snape to stay at the school.   He needed him close so that he could do his duty as spy for the Order.   If Dumbledore let Snape have the DADA job, he knew something would happen and Snape would have to leave.

Which brings us to another point.   Book six is a critical point for the Order.   The wizarding world has finally admitted the return of Voldemort.   The Death Eaters are back in action—trying to steal the prophecy.   Now, more than ever, Dumbledore needs Snape to be a spy.   Why then, does Dumbledore appoint Snape to the position, knowing that because of it, Snape would have to leave the school at the end of term?   It makes no logical sense.   Wouldn't he want him to stay close with the Order?

Unless... Dumbledore already knew that Snape would have to kill him.   If Snape killed him, there is no way he would stay at the school.   So why not finally give him the position he wanted so badly for so long?   Some would argue that it was so Harry could take O.W.L. level Potions.   But really, why go to such an extreme?   I'm pretty sure that Dumbledore could have simply told Snape to let Harry in the class, and Snape would have let him (admittedly, quite grudgingly).   No, I don't think Dumbledore would have gone to such great measures simply to ensure Harry's admittance into a Potions class.   I think he did it, knowing that Snape would have to leave anyway.   So why not let him fill the impossible-to-fill position and make him happy in the process?
#6
Harry Potter Books / Re: Snape?!
July 15, 2007, 09:21:15 AM
I tihnk that Snape is a good guy.I had my arguments and some of them match but i think that these ones are better written.i think that everything below make a very good sense.


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Do I think Snape is really a good guy?   No.   In the words of my dear friends, the Marauders, he is a ugly git, an idiot, and a slimeball... with a large nose.   He is the biggest jerk to grace the halls of Hogwarts.   

Let's think about this.   He has hated Harry from day one simply because of his rivalry with Harry's father.   That is so childish.   He gives him punishments simply because he is Harry.   He treats students he doesn't like with spite and contempt.   He dishes out punishments unfairly.   He could be a really good teacher (look at how much Harry learns from the Half-Blood Prince) but instead chooses to favor his pet students and shun the others.   He is the ultimate git.

Now, the question you should have asked was this:   Where do you think Snape's loyalties lie—with the Death Eaters or the Order of the Phoenix?   That, my friend, is an excellent question; one that I would love to answer.

Severus Snape, in my humble opinion, is definitely loyal to the Order of the Phoenix.   There are too many things that simply don't make sense with him as a pure-in-heart Death Eater.   On the flip side, any argument that he is, in fact a Death Eater and a traitor to the Order is refutable.   Go ahead, I dare you to find something that I can't refute*.

Disclaimer: I have much more evidence than this, however, you asked me in the middle of end of term exams and since I assume you don't want to wait until I can put my full energy into it, I will give you main points.

Book 1.   Snape saves Harry at the Quidditch match.   Why would he do that?   Bellatrix asks a similar question in chapter 2 of book 6.   "But why did you keep [Harry] alive?"   Snape's reply was, "Have you not understood me?   It was only Dumbledore's protection that was keeping me out of Azkaban!   Do you disagree that murdering his favorite student might have turned him against me?"   But letting Quirrel jinx Harry's broom would not have looked badly on Snape.   None of the other teachers were doing anything about it.   Snape could have let Harry die right then and there.   But he didn't!   No.   Snape recognized what was happening and saved Harry's life.   He never had to do that.   "But Niffler... Snape then goes on to say, "But there was more to it than that.   I should remind you that when Potter first arrived at Hogwarts there were still many stories circulating about him, rumors that he himself was a great Dark wizard, which was how he had survived the Dark Lord's attack.   Indeed, many of the Dark Lord's old followers thought Potter might be a standard around which we could all rally once more.   I was curious, I admit it, and not all inclined to murder him the moment he set foot in the castle."   Yes, this is true.   Perhaps he wanted to save Harry to see if he was a more powerful dark wizard.   However, Snape counters that argument immediately.   "Of course, it became apparent to me very quickly that he had no extraordinary talent at all.   He has fought his way out of a number of tight corners by a simple combination of sheer luck and more talented friends.   He is mediocre to the last degree..."   Snape had come to this conclusion long before the Quidditch match.   He knew Harry was not a powerful dark wizard.   He had no reason to save him.   

Ok, really.   Why does anyone really belive Snape is a true Death Eater?   Sure, we all hate and despise him in every book.   He's a git.   Sure, we suspect him of trying to kill Harry at every turn.   He seems a likely suspect.   However, every time we have been wrong.   So why is everyone so sure of it now?   Simple.   He killed Dumbledore.   Seems reasonable logic.   So now for sake of time and space, we are going to fast forward to book six.   I argue that Dumbledore knew all along that Snape was going to kill him.   I think he planned for it.     I believe that it was an unfortunate twist that both Dumbledore and Snape had resigned themselves to.   Why?
#7
Harry Potter Books / Re: OMGGG THE Chessboard theory
April 14, 2007, 09:57:55 PM
great that u like it
got that from piczo. dumbledores army
#8
Harry Potter Books / SQUIBS
April 14, 2007, 07:07:32 AM
& ONE MORE THING  :)

IN HP BOOKS WE HAVE TWO SQUIBS.FIRST ARGUS FILCH AND SECOND HARRYS NEIGHBOR. Mr. TIBBLES.

BOTH OF THEM KIND OF COMMUNICATE WITH THEIR OWN CATS, WHAT DO YOU THINK THIS MAY BE?

PS:IF U DONT REMEMBER WHAT SQUIB MEANS: SQUIB IS A PERSON WITH NO MAGICAL POWER( BUT NOT MUGGL BORN) : )
#9
Harry Potter Books / FAWKES will pass on
April 14, 2007, 06:57:35 AM
to Harry. Rowling has said, in multiple interviews, that Harry will have a pet in the future. Some people have speculated that the pet she speaks of is Buckbeak, but I don't agree with that. Buckbeak passes into Harry's care after Sirius dies, but within less than a minute after finding out he owns Buckbeak, Harry gives Buckbeak to Hagrid. I think, in order to "have a pet", you need to keep it for longer than 30 seconds. I've come to think the pet Rowling speaks of is Fawkes. Dumbledore tells Harry in CoS that loyalty towards him is what called Fawkes to Harry's side and caused him to help Harry. Harry's loyalty hasn't wavered since then. Even after Dumbledore's death, Harry is still "Dumbledore's man through and through". I think Fawkes will sense this continued loyalty and will allow Harry to be his new master. This would also give Harry another powerful ally in the fight against Voldemort.

Thanks to Veritaserum.com
#10
Harry Potter Books / Re: Which Pet?
April 14, 2007, 06:50:25 AM
Fawkes
#11
Quote from: tealeaf on October  5, 2005, 12:47:42 PM
:'( The twins are 1 of my fave characters


thanks for the information!
twins are my favorite characters tooooooooo :'( :'(
#12
Harry Potter News and Rumours / Re: R.A.B.
April 14, 2007, 06:43:18 AM
yes it was thrown away, but (as i;ve written in the other topic of rab)later kreacher took it
#13
Harry Potter Books / Re: dumbeldore is not dead!!!
April 14, 2007, 06:25:34 AM
NOT BY ME:

clue 1) Harry and Dumbledore are up on the top of the tower underneath the Dark Mark. Harry is wearing his invisibility cloak, Dumbledore ordered him to put it on before they mounted their brooms to ride to the top of the tower. Harry hears footsteps and looks around, but Dumbledore orders him with a gesture to retreat. Harry draws his wand and backs away:
The door burst open and somebody erupted through it and shouted, "Expelliarmus!" Harry's body became instantly rigid and immobile, and he felt himself fall back against the tower wall, propped like an unsteady statue, unable to move or speak.
It's interesting to note that things are happening so fast, even Harry is momentarily confused:
He could not understand how it happened -- Expelliarmus was not a Freezing Charm -- Then, by the light of the Mark, he saw Dumbledore's wand flying in an arc over the edge of the ramparts and understood... Dumbledore had wordlessly immobilzed Harry, and the second he had taken to perform this spell had cost him the chance of defending himself.
hmm...
Why did Dumbledore freeze Harry? Harry was already invisible to their attackers and in no danger.
The only explanation could be that Dumbledore already knew, had already planned, that he would die this night (or appear to die), and not only did he not want Harry to become involved and possibly be injured himself, he needed Harry 2 be a witness, to be able to tell everyone else what happened.
Dumbledore might have also promised Snape that he would make sure that Harry would not be able to interfere, knowing how Harry feels about Snape and what Snape was about to have to do.


2) Fawkes doesn't try to save Dumbledore
We've seen Fawkes come in at the last moment and save Harry's life in Chamber of Secrets:
As Harry trembled, ready to close his eyes if it turned, he saw what had distracted the snake. Fawkes was soaring around its head, and the basilisk was snapping furiously at him with fangs long and thin as sabers -- Fawkes dived. His long golden beak sunk out of sight and a sudden shower of dark blood spattered the floor. (CoS pg 318/234)
And he also saved Dumbledore in Order of the Phoenix:
... one more jet of green light had flown at Dumbledore from Voldemort's wand and the snake had struck -- Fawkes swooped down in front of Dumbledore, opened his beak wide, and swallowed the jet of green light whole. He burst into flame and fell to the floor, small, wrinkled and flightless.
We know Fawkes was nearby the tower, as he shows up after Dumbledore's "death". So, why didn't Fawkes come to save Dumbledore this time?
I think the fact that he didn't makes it possible to believe that Dumbledore didn't want his life to be saved, and this supports the theory that it was Dumbledore's plan all along to "die" up on that tower that night.

3) did you not notice that in the hbp, when dumbledore is "killied" the avada kedavra curse is not as it has been explained in past incedents in the book, why should it be any different this time???
Every other time we've seen the Avada Kedavra performed, the victim simply falls over dead:
"He was screaming so loudly that he never heard the words the thing in the chair spoke as it raised a wand. There was a flash of green light, a rushing sound, and Frank Bryce crumbled. He was dead before he hit the floor."
and
"From high above his head, he heard a high, cold voice say, "Kill the spare." A swishing noise and a second voice, which screeched the words to the night: "Avada Kedavra!" A blast of green light blazed through Harry's eyelids, and he heard something heavy fall to ground beside him. Cedric was lying spread-eagled on the ground beside him. He was dead."
in Half-Blood Prince, when Snape curses Dumbledore with the same spell, Dumbledore violently flies up and away from the tower:
"Snape raised his wand and pointed it directly at Dumbledore. "Avada Kedavra!" A jet of green light shot from the end of Snape's wand and hit Dumbledore squarely in the chest. Harry's scream of horror never left him; silently he was forced to watch as Dumbledore was blasted into the air. For a split second, he seemed to hang suspended beneath the shining skull, and then he slowly fell backward, like a great rag doll, over the battlements and out of sight." what is goin on there!?
Why would this application of the Avada Kedavra be so different from every other time we've seen it?
hmm..maybe because even though those were the words Snape said, he didn't perform the killing curse at all. Remember all the importance this book gave to "nonverbal" spells? Perhaps Snape said Avada Kedavra, but the curse he was really thinking, the nonverbal one, was a different curse, one that only made it appear that Dumbledore was dead.
Even the title of the chapter this all takes place in is suspicous, "The Lightning-Struck Tower". Even though this is the name of the ominous tarot card that Trelawney was worried about, is it possible that J.K. is hinting here that the spell was not Avada Kedavra, just some green lightning sparks for show??

5) well j.k. has put a lot of hinting onto the idea of not bein able to do unforgivable curses unless u really "mean" it, think back,
In Goblet of Fire, the fake Mad Eye Moody tells his DADA class:
"Avada Kedavra's a curse that needs a powerful bit of magic behind it -- you could all get your wands out now and point them at me and say the words, and I doubt I'd get so much as a nosebleed."
and
Hatred rose in Harry such that he had never known before. He flung himself out from behind the fountain and bellowed "Crucio!" Bellatrix screamed. The spell had knocked her off her feet, but she did not writhe or shriek with pain as Neville had -- she was already on her feet again ... "Never used an Unforgivable Curse before, have you, boy?" she yelled. "You need to mean them, Potter! You need to really want to cause pain -- to enjoy it ..."
If Snape was really working on Dumbledore's orders to make it look to the world as if Snape had killed him, even if he had used the real Avada Kedavra, if he had not really meant it, if he really didn't want to kill Dumbledore, then isn't possible that the curse didn't kill Dumbledore, but only injured him badly? aha! lol.

9) As part of the funeral service, a fire ignites around the body of Dumbledore, and when it subsides, his body is encased in a white marble tomb.
Again, we don't see the body, either before or after the fire.
But more importantly, no one lights the fire, it just happens on its own. A body bursting into flame on its own. That sound like anyone we know? We've seen Fawkes do that several times now in the course of the Harry Potter books, and you know what happens to Fawkes after every time it does.
in case we didn't get the allusions to a phoenix, J.K. reminds us just in case:
White smoke spiraled into the air and made strange shapes: Harry thought, for one heart-stopping moment, that he saw a phoenix fly joyfully into the blue, but next second the fire had vanished. (theory not written by me)
#14
Harry Potter Books / OMGGG THE Chessboard theory
April 14, 2007, 06:12:32 AM
I ADORE THIS THEORY !!!! ITS BRILLIANT!READ IT:)


Rowling has always had a good sence of humor, She described the Second Wizard War in the McGonagall's chess game. The chessmen (chessmen, figures...how strangely she describes them, like real people, not like pieces of stone) are black (Aurors) and white (Death Eaters). The white figures are scary, cus they are "faceless" (white terrible masks of Death Eaters)
"Harry, Ron and Hermione shivered slightly -- the towering white chessmen had no faces."


Then let's take a look at this:

"Well, Harry, you take the place of that bishop, and Hermione, you are next to him instead of that castle."
"What about you?"
"I'm going to be a knight," said Ron."

That's a very strange choice, isn't it? Ron is very good at chess, he must knew, that it's better to be a king, because kings can stay until the end of the game without being taken, and they are the ones, who command. It would be much more logical and safe to be a king. But Rowling likes symbolism, and everything in this chess game is symbolical. Ron IS a knight, because this redhead boy is pure in heart and brave as a real knight. He never was a king, or a commander."


"Hermione is a castle, because castle walks straight, and Hermione is quite a "straight" person. Harry is a bishop because bishop is the figure that is very close to the King (Dumbledore). Harry is also not "straight" like Hermione, he prefers "to walk diagonally," because he's self-effacing and a little secretive (like confessors (bishop))."


Then the game (WAR) begins...

"Their first real shock came when their other knight was taken. The white queen smashed him to the floor and dragged him off the board, where he lay quite still, facedown."

Bellatrix Lestrange murdered Sirius Black."


"Every time one of their men was lost, the white pieces showed no mercy. Soon there was a huddle of limp black players slumped along the wall. Ron himself darted around the board, taking almost as many white pieces as they had lost black ones."

"Yes..." said Ron softly, "It's the only way... I've got to be taken."
"No!" Harry and Hermione shouted.
"That's chess!" snapped Ron. "You've got to make some sacrifices! I take one step forward and she'll take me -- that leaves you free to checkmate the king, Harry!"
"But --"
"Do you want to stop Snape or not?"
"Ron --"
"Look, if you don't hurry up, he'll already have the Stone!"
There was no alternative."     

Ron sacrifices himself to let Harry kill Voldemort. There is NO alternative, he has to die anyway. The book 7 spoiler.


"He stepped forward, and the white queen pounced. She struck Ron hard across the head with her stone arm, and he crashed to the floor - Hermione screamed but stayed on her square - the white queen dragged Ron to one side. He looked as if he'd been knocked out."

Bellatrix Lestrange murders Ron Weasley.she murdered harry's dad's best friend so she finishes off harrys,   :(

"The white king took off his crown and threw it at Harry's feet. They had won. The chessmen parted and bowed, leaving the door ahead clear."

Harry kills Voldemort and survives. The Second Wizard War ends.

Additional information:

During the chessgame, the author writes:

"Twice, Ron only just noticed in time that Harry and Hermione were in danger."   

What's going to happen in Books 6 and 7 with the trio? Where are they going to go, how are they going to be in danger? Something wicked this way comes."   

#15
Harry Potter Books / Re: RAB
April 14, 2007, 06:04:26 AM
i found it on one piczo site and i think that it totally makes sense : )==================================================
R.A.B are the initials of a character mentioned towards the end of Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince. The initials are found in a message which is in a locket which is, thought to be a Horcrux. The message reads:
          "To the Dark Lord I know I will be dead long before you read this but I want you to know that it was I who discovered your secret. I have stolen the real Horcrux and intend to destroy it as soon as I can.

    I face death in the hope that when you meet your match you will be mortal once more.

    R.A.B."


well after reading this a fair few times and giving it alot of though, 1 name poped into my head: regulus black.


well The letter refers to the 'Dark Lord' rather than Voldemort, or 'he who must not be named'. Only Death Eaters call Voldermort the Dark Lord so this is our first clue that the person is Regulus since he is a Death Eater who ran away.

In the Order of the Phoenix chapter 6, 'the Noble and Most Ancient House of Black' it is mentioned that Sirius, Regulus Brother, had an uncle named Alphard who left 'a decent bit of gold' and,no. 12 Grimmauld Place -the headquarters of the Order of the Phoenix. Using names from relatives is pretty common. even in the book because, Ginnies middle name is Molly (her mothers name), so it's very much possible that the A is his uncles initial passed down.

In the same book a 'heavy locket that none of them could open' is mentioned which is found in 12 Grimmauld Place, it couldn't be opened and was thrown away, but we later learn that Kreacher, the house elf, has stolen the it. Could this be the Horcrux that was replaced by the locket that Dumbledore and Harry found? I couldve kicked myself for not noticing this sooner!



                        ---theory---


"What people don't realise is that Sirius Black is a false name,' says Mrs Purkiss. 'The man people believe to be Sirius Black is actually Stubby Boardman, lead singer of popular singing group The Hobgoblins, who retired from public life after being struck on the ear by a turnip at a concert in Little Norton Church Hall nearly fifteen years ago. I recognised him the moment I saw his picture in the paper. Now, Stubby couldn't possibly have committed those crimes, because on the day in question he happened to be enjoying a romantic candlelit dinner with me. I have written to the Minister for Magic and am expecting him to give Stubby, alias Sirius, a full pardon any day now."

I'm guessing this is a reference to Regulus since we know Sirius was there 'the day in question' (although he IS innocent). Also in another chapter Sirius mentions that Regulus died 15 years previously, which would be the same year Harry's parents were killed, and probably before Sirius was taken to Azkaban. JK doesnt realy mentions anything without some sort of reason so maybe this is some sort of proof that Regulus didn't die and just went into hiding