ok so well this is how i feel about sirius dying... :bigcry: well i think that he's definatly gonna come back cuz just think about what luna said about her mom..."it's not like i can never see her agian..u heard them they're just behind the veil..."
so i think that harry's gonna return there and find a way to get him out! that's just my theory tho..or sirius will be ghost...cuz i think ms. rowling...( have to give respect ) wouldn't intro him in the thrid then just kill him off two books later ya kno...??!!??
:'(
Yes i agree that they will find a way to bring him back accross the reaches of the veil. JK just can't take him away from us that easily..I think somthing is up with that too...at least, i hope. :'(
Uhh... Emily? You fergot to put a Spoiler warning :s
Luna can't see her mom, but she can hear her. And Sirius was pretty happy, I don't think he has a reason to become a ghost.
Ya but, i don't thnk he'd have to come back as a ghost and what mekes you say he was happy? I felt he was far from happy... :( Oh well...
Well, he was relatively happy. he wasn't liek Moaning Myrtle or Nearly Headless Nick, in death-wise....
ya but still...he could come back and i think he will...
me too Em, at least, I hold on to the hope that he will....
*shrug* I doubt it.
*Starts to cry* HHHeee...HHAASSS TTTTOOO...lol
*cries w/ her* YAAAA HE HASSS TO!!!
Actually, he does have to come back since he has unfinished business back on earth...helping the Order, he repeatedly said that he wanted to get out and help the order but he couldn' t.
OMG! I LOVE U UR MY NEW FAV. PERSON OF THE WEEK!lol SEE SEE THAT ! HA! HE IS COMMING BACK! ;D YES!!!
YES he has unfinished business. But so does EVERYONE. I wouldn't get your hopes up in him appearing back into the book. Plus that dais thing may suck everything from you, including your soul.
But think about it, I mean, maybe thats y u can easily look up ghost sightings. Because they all had/have unfinished business back on earth.
Also, Nearly Headless Nick said that he chose to stay behind. If Sirius is given a choice to stay behind with Harry, he will. Theres no way he'll choose to leave Harry behind.
I don't think sirius will come back...(don't hate me)
Look at what Mrs. weasley said, sirius was treating harry the way he would treat james. Not the he's happy he's dead or nething, but now he will be able to see james again...
Ok, Star. You do have a point. He does get to see James now, however, I still want to be selfish and want him back... :'(
but with james there, I don't think he'd have the heart to come back.
Also, N.H. Nick said that he was afraid of death when he died.
Since Sirius was in the process of rescuing Harry, He probably wasn't afraid, for the only thought on his mind was that he had to rescue his godson.
I also believe that there may be a way to get him back through the veil, but I don't think Sirius would come back willingly; he would at least have second thoughts about it.(http://www.blackmaxpc.com/avatarsmiles/smiles/crying5.gif)
Yes, I agree...
thanx
Yes, but once again, you talk about him coming back as a ghost...I don't think that's what I am talking about,,err---ya. I am talking about taking him back across the veil to where he passed through. *Shrug* I can't explain, it's to complicated. Somthing to do with a limbo type world and all.
Dumbledore said that that was the death room, and if you cross into the veil, you would be dead. How would he cross back over? Especially if he's dead, he can't come back alive.
Shui, you are forgetting
1) that this is the department of mysteries were talking about here
2) that this transpires not in the muggle world, but in the wizarding world, where nething could be possible.
Even in the wizarding world you cannot bring someone back to life. If they could, why doesn't Harry have his parents?
Yes, it is the Department of Mysteries, but if DUmbledore says he's dead, then he is.
And how do we know that Sirius still has his body? Maybe behind the veil is only souls, and the body disentagrated?
Harry's parents were murdered by voldy, but sirius merely went behind the veil, and how do you know that he can't come back???
exactly..., you don't.
Dumbledore says that no one knows all the things that happen in the department of mysteries, except the unspeakables and by their name, they clearly aren't about to tell.
people can be wrong at least once in a while. Dumbledore was wrong to beleive tom riddle and expel hagrid, was he not???
And how do you know that he can?
No one knows. We can only guess.
But, if you could bring those back from the veil, what's the point of it, and why are there people still in it?
But do you think that James would want Harry to be alone with only the DURSLEYS!!! I mean, he would definetly want Harry to have some one there.
Sirius was rarely there for Harry... he still has the Weasleys.
maybe no1 has figured out a way to do it.
and i never said i knew, i was just pointing out that u didn't either.
and yes, we can only guess, but comparing different veiws on the topic can broaden your opinions.
Okay then... another question:
What's the point of him dying if she is bringing him back? Sake of the plot?
We are comparing views, and not agreeing. So that doesn't broaden opinions.
QuoteAnd how do you know that he can?
No one knows. We can only guess.
But, if you could bring those back from the veil, what's the point of it, and why are there people still in it?
maybe no1 has figured out a way to do it.
and i never said i knew, i was just pointing out that u didn't either.
and yes, we can only guess, but comparing different veiws on the topic can broaden your opinions.
QuoteBut do you think that James would want Harry to be alone with only the DURSLEYS!!! I mean, he would definetly want Harry to have some one there.
It isn't james' choice as to if sirius goes back as a ghost or not.
QuoteSirius was rarely there for Harry... he still has the Weasleys
that is true, but that doesn't mean that harry wasn't deeply affected by the loss of his godfather. actually i think it affected him a great deal because he never had a chance to spend much tim with sirius, but it's isnt sirius' fault, or harry's.
QuoteOkay then... another question:
What's the point of him dying if she is bringing him back? Sake of the plot?
We are comparing views, and not agreeing. So that doesn't broaden opinions.
one word... Suspense!
Once again, as Isaid.. I am just being selfish...*Shrugs*
I think it'd suck to become a ghost, because then you have to live through the heart ache of watching all your loved ones die....
I didn't say he wasn't affected, because he obviously was. And I fergot the point I was trying to make ^^;;
lol.
and yes it would suck.
poor sirus wouldn't be able to play nemore jokes, boohoo!
lol
lol, you ppl are too cute..heeheehee
cute???
like this-->(http://www.blackmaxpc.com/avatarsmiles/smiles/puppy_dog_eyes.gif)
No, more like this ---> (http://www.tomfelton.com/discussion/images/smilies/freak3.gif)
(http://www.blackmaxpc.com/avatarsmiles/smiles/Eyecrazy.gif) <- or this
YA! And even this --->(http://www.tomfelton.com/discussion/images/smilies/silly.gif)
lol
lol, cuteness
Haha those are great.
;D
Quote from: Kiara_maul on July 26, 2003, 05:16:42 AM
YA! And even this --->(http://www.tomfelton.com/discussion/images/smilies/silly.gif)
lol i love those!
arn't they great!! Well, now you have access to thwm as well...lol ;)
I have an idea.There going to bring him back as a black dog.See the indians think that they come back as animals.
HMMM, something else to ponder......*puts on thinking cap*
That's a good idea... it could be true... bringing in a bit of Native American culture into it. It clashes horribly, but it's a good idea.
well my friend is all indian and she told me about it.
I have a quarter Indian, some German, English, all this other stuff.
not me just British and southern spirit
I am 100% American wich means that I am also...100% mutt. lol heeheehee
^ ERR_ Uhm, but that doesn't mean I look like one, a mut that is....*Hides behind rock*
Mutt ;D
Hehe
*laughs* Well.......
Kiaras not ugly. Anybody who thinks otherwise, prepare to see my wrath
you should've said that it was a SPOILER! I haven't read it yet... we didn't buy the book yet :P :'(
yeah,Andy is hogging the book even though shes already read it.
hello everyone.
hewwo!
*smiles at her* hi
*smilez back*
Hi all
Newbie here...
But forgive me if i'm wrong, but if Sirius is dead, then ha can't be brought back.
At the end of the goblet of fire, voldemorts last spell is undone, which is the death of harrys parents, however they come back as ghosts. When hary asks dumbledore why, he sayd something like 'Even magic cannot revert death'
So however much you want him back if he is dead, then i dont think he shall be back!!!
*hugs digital_biscuit* Thank you!
And welcome! :purpleelephant: <-- For you! It's a purple elephant. I give one to all newbies ;)
*Clears throat* Sirius has gone beyond the veil, he was not ever really stated as dead. He has been presumed dead. Who's to say that those behind that veil are indeedy dead? Hum? Now, I'm just playing devils advocate here, he can be dead or not. Do any of us really know for sure, one way or the other? I don't think so... the only one who knows the answer to that question would be JK herself.
Dumbly said he was dead, Remus said he was dead.
You remember how Luna could see the thestrals? She said it was her mother that had died. Her mother had gone through the veil.
But maybe the veil is something different. Maybe it's a different kind of death that might not take your soul but maybe your mind? Hmm... or maybe I'm just reading too far into this. But it's a theory! I think there might be a way to bring him back, but like I've said before, J.K. killed him off for a reason and I don't think he's coming back.