i found some rumors that dumby is not dead but all is a plan !!!...
what do u think ???
:o :o :o :o :o
Ive already said a few times that i doubt very much if dumbledore's alive.I think those rumors are mainly people wanting dumbledore to be alive-i wish he hadnt dies but i do think he has been killed :'(.
SURPRISE...hes definitely dead.
not quite sure
I'm almost sure he's dead. If there had been a plan, Harry would have heard about it somewhere.
i don't think so
hes gone.
hes gone.
HES GONE!
now can we PLEASE stop these repeate threads??
I wish but there are always the people who think he's alive and woundn't leave it alone. Now do I think he's dead yes. But I am open minded. we don't need to talk about it anymore
very true lav his dead end of
hey come post with me and goblet in Life and Death
This is kind of one of those "state the obvious" questions. He had a funeral, the teachers all wept (except Snape, filthy Death Eater) and the only person that survived such a curse was Harry. So, yes. Albus Dumbledore is DEAD. No need to ask this question ever again. Like Dumbledore, this question is dead. MUAHAHAHA!!! and this is coming from a non-existing student... How odd...
oh! and if theres any Gaians here, this is my username, and theres a HP guild there too. Entry fee, I believe, is 100 gold...I think...
I agree with Jack he's dead...... the end
isnt that what we've been saying for weeks in every one of these threads?
yep but people still like to put them up. don't ask why
why?
Lolz, Yes, I think he is dead, but it'd be really funny if he wasn't, becasue, well, I'm just weird. But I think it would be, then all te peoples that said he's dead so shut about about it and stuff would be wrong, haha so funny. Ok, no more sugar for me!
suger!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dumbledore is the deadest human being i've ever read about
be open minded. but I still think he's dead
I am openminded .... . but he's still dead
yes all to true
Finally, some people r just hopelessly optimistic
im optomistic that the time will come when optimists will be shot
And I sincerely hope i shall be holding the gun
In my opinion there is a good reason, that he is really dead.
Harry has to face Voldmort without any help from this "grandpa" figure.
on the other hand ... I think I dont get the reason, Dumbeldore always trusted Snape. "I have my reasons.." Simply because he came back "Oh I'm sooo sorry Harrys parents were killed" Thats just a bit lame.
Anyway, I don't think he is coming back, but I will not be to surprised if he does.
...J.k. is showing his flaw.He has no one to go to for help,no equal...Everyone always goes to him.so,he's willing to trust people.
no, shes showing that you should never trust humanity because they will just turn around and stab you in the back because humanity knows no better because people suck.
dont ask what happened, i just needed to get that out of my system...i feel a little better now...
lol...she did say that in an interview,what I said.Thats why i said it.I can't normally pull wisdom out of know where.
Quote from: Jack Chance on August 17, 2005, 02:20:58 PM
This is kind of one of those "state the obvious" questions. He had a funeral, the teachers all wept (except Snape, filthy Death Eater) and the only person that survived such a curse was Harry. So, yes. Albus Dumbledore is DEAD. No need to ask this question ever again. Like Dumbledore, this question is dead. MUAHAHAHA!!! and this is coming from a non-existing student... How odd...
oh! and if theres any Gaians here, this is my username, and theres a HP guild there too. Entry fee, I believe, is 100 gold...I think...
AS harshly put as this was, it is correct in every sense of the red words jumping out from the grey page. Albus Dumbledore is indeed.. dead
I see no one has mentioned the biggest thing saying that Dumbledore is gone and the Snape did eliminate him: The nature of the Unforgiviable Curses. Unless I am mistaken, didn't Belatrix say in book 5 that in order to use a Unforgivable you had to truely mean it and would enjoy it? Snape is a gifted Occumen but thats a far cry from using a Unforgivable on the leader of the Order of the Phoenix. If Snape wasn't truly a follower of Voldemort, he wouldn't have been able to pull the Curse off.
Did anyone else notice this? Or am I mistaken in my rememberance of Unforgivable Curses?
I think that when they have to, they can use the spell, wheather they really want to or not.
I don't know I would like to defend Snape but after what Neo said I don't know. But still He didn't really have to enjoy it, like ginny said. I'm pretty sure that you don't have to enjoy the whole thing to do it. I mean I tell my mom I'd be happy to wash all the dishes but does that mean I'm really happy about it? Not one bit I hate washing the dishes. But she doesn't know that.
Quote from: Dark Wizard Neo on August 20, 2005, 10:59:33 PM
I see no one has mentioned the biggest thing saying that Dumbledore is gone and the Snape did eliminate him: The nature of the Unforgiviable Curses. Unless I am mistaken, didn't Belatrix say in book 5 that in order to use a Unforgivable you had to truely mean it and would enjoy it? Snape is a gifted Occumen but thats a far cry from using a Unforgivable on the leader of the Order of the Phoenix. If Snape wasn't truly a follower of Voldemort, he wouldn't have been able to pull the Curse off.
Did anyone else notice this? Or am I mistaken in my rememberance of Unforgivable Curses?
Well, that sounds likely to be correct. Belatrix DID say that you truly needed to hate this "person" in order to succesfully curse them. I always thought Dumbledore was a bit off in believing Snape's load of "tish-tosh"
tis tosh? I call it bull
Quote from: LavyBrown on August 21, 2005, 05:15:02 AM
tis tosh? I call it bull
alright...a load of bull-crap.
yep Sanpe is so full of himself I'm surpired his haed hasn't exploed yet.
Quote from: LavyBrown on August 21, 2005, 05:44:47 AM
yep Sanpe is so full of himself I'm surpired his haed hasn't exploed yet.
hehe...that's probably why he has a wig on his head...its so large, he has to cover it up one way or another...
yeppers you don't have to do the quote thing everytime
yeah, i figured, but I also figured someone would have replied already....((trying not to sound mean or anything...))
you don't but anyways....................He's dead end of story
end of discussion. Let's close this thread. Or something...
well we can't close it but we can stop posting in it
okie!! Let's stop posting starting NOW!
ok then
Lolz, now I'm gonna post here if I know no one else is gonna post to me! ;D
ha
i don think think dumbledores dead cuase wats da points of reading the book then
wow....
Dang-nammit...Dumbledore is gone. Forever. Or maybe just his physical life. Maybe later, his portrait in the Headmaster's office will come to life, along with all the other past Headmasters. But for now, let's just say that he's DEAD!!!
yes he's deader the dead. He's just plain dead
haha. He's even more than dead. He's UBER-DEAD!!!
lolz ok
we got some wacked out people on this site...
yes so wacked, whatever
lol
You get used to it.
anit that the truth
lol
well it is
i know
lolz what are we talking about I forgot
i forget. lol im jumping around so many threads, none of which are on topic any more, its getting confusing.
only the rp's are on topic and sometime I have to read a few pots before I reply becasue I forgot which rp I'm in.
lol its easy for me, im only involved in the one with Ginny and you now that i got out of the infection one a while ago. lol that one confuses me sooooooo much.
lolz I'm in at least 15 right now but somehow I'm keeping them all pretty stright,
lol
yep DUMBLEDORE IS DEAD!!!
lol way to try and bring this back on topic
yes the only way
lol whaaaaaaaat
HE'S DEAD HE'S DEAD HE'S DEAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lolol
still not working?
nope
crap, not here too?
lol in all the threads its like this, you know that!
HE'S DEAD
OK!
I WIN
I DON'T THINK SO LAVY!
WELL I THINK I DO NEO
NOT IN YOUR DREAMS LAVY!
This is like the 20th thread I've read about people saying Dumbledore is not dead, and they all end a lot like this. Lol.
If he is dead then how come his pic wasnt in its frame... he is probly alive with the Phonix somewhere....and i think he had a horeux or more than one!!!
Listen, until J.K. says otherwise, I will beleive Dumbledore is dead, and nothing will convince me otherwise.
I hope hes not dead buttttttttttt
HEs d**n dead alright
Im sorry for those who still think dumbledore is still alive... i wish he haddent.. i even cried when i read it.. but he is in fact dead..
he's deader then dead, he's just plain dead. And six feet under.
hehe...well this is funny. Lavy, do you remember us speaking of trying to get this THREAD TO BECOME DEAD???!!
I think this is funny. I also think that whomever started this one should lock it. And about the part where Dumbledore wasnt in the frame, that is not true. When he died, Harry went in the office, and I remember reading that Harry saw Dumbledore's painting already there, and Dumbledore's figure was "sleeping". Hmm...I dunno. Maybe when Harry will need help again, maybe he will ask the painting. But, like Kreature's Mistress (Sirius's Mum), maybe Dumbledore will end up like a fool... There's something to think about...
whoa
i don't think he's dead can't be he's sooooooooo powerful he can't just die! not fair
No, he's not dead... I sense it! He's to powerful to die. Sounds stupid but I think that his Pheonix gave him his power, and...
i think he's dead...i mena they did bury him..but still....if voldemort dint die yet...i dunt reallly think dumbledore did...i mean..i think tht is the seventh part he will come back again....probably...he realy dint die..it may be a plan....probably only mcgonagall knows...
they all die!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DDDDDUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he IS dead
dumbledore is dead...........i cant believe jk rowling can plan hiz death
:'(
Rowling clarified that "Dumbledore is definitely dead", when asked by Salman Rushdie and others at Radio City Music Hall in New York City. Rowling answered the same question three times, each time with increasing conviction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Potter_and_the_Deathly_Hallows#Known_plot_details
now that's ambiguous enough that somehow some strange way he'll still be able to help Harry. Who knows, every book has a new suprise and we know JK won't dissappoint. I just hope that none of the trio die..that would be devastating.
In an interview though, daniel said he saw rowling walk into the studio looking troubled so he asked her what was wrong and she said dumbledore was giving her some trouble.......so i think he might come back to life!
No one will know until July 21 though!!
he cannot be dead i don't think that's really true even after reading the 6th book several times.....
NOT BY ME:
clue 1) Harry and Dumbledore are up on the top of the tower underneath the Dark Mark. Harry is wearing his invisibility cloak, Dumbledore ordered him to put it on before they mounted their brooms to ride to the top of the tower. Harry hears footsteps and looks around, but Dumbledore orders him with a gesture to retreat. Harry draws his wand and backs away:
The door burst open and somebody erupted through it and shouted, "Expelliarmus!" Harry's body became instantly rigid and immobile, and he felt himself fall back against the tower wall, propped like an unsteady statue, unable to move or speak.
It's interesting to note that things are happening so fast, even Harry is momentarily confused:
He could not understand how it happened -- Expelliarmus was not a Freezing Charm -- Then, by the light of the Mark, he saw Dumbledore's wand flying in an arc over the edge of the ramparts and understood... Dumbledore had wordlessly immobilzed Harry, and the second he had taken to perform this spell had cost him the chance of defending himself.
hmm...
Why did Dumbledore freeze Harry? Harry was already invisible to their attackers and in no danger.
The only explanation could be that Dumbledore already knew, had already planned, that he would die this night (or appear to die), and not only did he not want Harry to become involved and possibly be injured himself, he needed Harry 2 be a witness, to be able to tell everyone else what happened.
Dumbledore might have also promised Snape that he would make sure that Harry would not be able to interfere, knowing how Harry feels about Snape and what Snape was about to have to do.
2) Fawkes doesn't try to save Dumbledore
We've seen Fawkes come in at the last moment and save Harry's life in Chamber of Secrets:
As Harry trembled, ready to close his eyes if it turned, he saw what had distracted the snake. Fawkes was soaring around its head, and the basilisk was snapping furiously at him with fangs long and thin as sabers -- Fawkes dived. His long golden beak sunk out of sight and a sudden shower of dark blood spattered the floor. (CoS pg 318/234)
And he also saved Dumbledore in Order of the Phoenix:
... one more jet of green light had flown at Dumbledore from Voldemort's wand and the snake had struck -- Fawkes swooped down in front of Dumbledore, opened his beak wide, and swallowed the jet of green light whole. He burst into flame and fell to the floor, small, wrinkled and flightless.
We know Fawkes was nearby the tower, as he shows up after Dumbledore's "death". So, why didn't Fawkes come to save Dumbledore this time?
I think the fact that he didn't makes it possible to believe that Dumbledore didn't want his life to be saved, and this supports the theory that it was Dumbledore's plan all along to "die" up on that tower that night.
3) did you not notice that in the hbp, when dumbledore is "killied" the avada kedavra curse is not as it has been explained in past incedents in the book, why should it be any different this time???
Every other time we've seen the Avada Kedavra performed, the victim simply falls over dead:
"He was screaming so loudly that he never heard the words the thing in the chair spoke as it raised a wand. There was a flash of green light, a rushing sound, and Frank Bryce crumbled. He was dead before he hit the floor."
and
"From high above his head, he heard a high, cold voice say, "Kill the spare." A swishing noise and a second voice, which screeched the words to the night: "Avada Kedavra!" A blast of green light blazed through Harry's eyelids, and he heard something heavy fall to ground beside him. Cedric was lying spread-eagled on the ground beside him. He was dead."
in Half-Blood Prince, when Snape curses Dumbledore with the same spell, Dumbledore violently flies up and away from the tower:
"Snape raised his wand and pointed it directly at Dumbledore. "Avada Kedavra!" A jet of green light shot from the end of Snape's wand and hit Dumbledore squarely in the chest. Harry's scream of horror never left him; silently he was forced to watch as Dumbledore was blasted into the air. For a split second, he seemed to hang suspended beneath the shining skull, and then he slowly fell backward, like a great rag doll, over the battlements and out of sight." what is goin on there!?
Why would this application of the Avada Kedavra be so different from every other time we've seen it?
hmm..maybe because even though those were the words Snape said, he didn't perform the killing curse at all. Remember all the importance this book gave to "nonverbal" spells? Perhaps Snape said Avada Kedavra, but the curse he was really thinking, the nonverbal one, was a different curse, one that only made it appear that Dumbledore was dead.
Even the title of the chapter this all takes place in is suspicous, "The Lightning-Struck Tower". Even though this is the name of the ominous tarot card that Trelawney was worried about, is it possible that J.K. is hinting here that the spell was not Avada Kedavra, just some green lightning sparks for show??
5) well j.k. has put a lot of hinting onto the idea of not bein able to do unforgivable curses unless u really "mean" it, think back,
In Goblet of Fire, the fake Mad Eye Moody tells his DADA class:
"Avada Kedavra's a curse that needs a powerful bit of magic behind it -- you could all get your wands out now and point them at me and say the words, and I doubt I'd get so much as a nosebleed."
and
Hatred rose in Harry such that he had never known before. He flung himself out from behind the fountain and bellowed "Crucio!" Bellatrix screamed. The spell had knocked her off her feet, but she did not writhe or shriek with pain as Neville had -- she was already on her feet again ... "Never used an Unforgivable Curse before, have you, boy?" she yelled. "You need to mean them, Potter! You need to really want to cause pain -- to enjoy it ..."
If Snape was really working on Dumbledore's orders to make it look to the world as if Snape had killed him, even if he had used the real Avada Kedavra, if he had not really meant it, if he really didn't want to kill Dumbledore, then isn't possible that the curse didn't kill Dumbledore, but only injured him badly? aha! lol.
9) As part of the funeral service, a fire ignites around the body of Dumbledore, and when it subsides, his body is encased in a white marble tomb.
Again, we don't see the body, either before or after the fire.
But more importantly, no one lights the fire, it just happens on its own. A body bursting into flame on its own. That sound like anyone we know? We've seen Fawkes do that several times now in the course of the Harry Potter books, and you know what happens to Fawkes after every time it does.
in case we didn't get the allusions to a phoenix, J.K. reminds us just in case:
White smoke spiraled into the air and made strange shapes: Harry thought, for one heart-stopping moment, that he saw a phoenix fly joyfully into the blue, but next second the fire had vanished. (theory not written by me)
For clue 3 i think it's just because Dumbledore is stronger than Cedric or Frank Bryce ::) :-\
For clue 9 I think maybe they want to fake his death or something so Dumbledore could continue the search for horuxes :-X I don't know but his painting was in his office, another clue that he might have died :( :'(
i think dumbledore died...
but i think that he'll come back at the last second and either kill voldy or save harry
or something like that
i'm still wondering how can such a powerful wizard die from a spell, even though only harry is the only known to survive it ::)
Quote from: harrypotterfan:) on April 16, 2007, 09:15:08 AM
i'm still wondering how can such a powerful wizard die from a spell, even though only harry is the only known to survive it ::)
that dosn't make much sence, cuz harry only survived from his mom's sacrifice/ love for him. dumbledore is pretty much like everyone else in the wizarding world...just powerful..but its not like he can stop death! no offence or anything though!
write out your words please
so many people have other people that love them but I think Dumbledore is powerful enough to survive...right? :-X
because* :-[
i don't think he's powerful enough, j.k. said she wanted people to know dumbledore was just like any othre person and not a god....
Well Dumbledore is not a god, but not a normal wizard either. ::) Well in my point of view, I don't know about the rest of you guys.
good point..we all have our own point of views.....that's what i like about this website..since we all have different point of views we all discuss things like this so often then!
LOL
That's why there are so many posts on this site. ;D
ha...good point!
DD is dead. JK has said he's definatly dead. No matter how powerful he was, the avada kedavra is an amazingly powerful spell...look what it did to Voldermort when it backfired...He's dead.
i still disagree.........but we'll all just have to wait until july 21 to see who's right about him......