You thoughts, about who that should become president, your thoughts about Republicans and democritans.
So! Waiting for YOUR opinion in the election in the winter!
NO FLAMING HERE! EVERYONE HAS THEIR OWN OPINIONS, AND NOBODY, ARE TO FLAME AGAINST THEM,
OR EVEN SUGGEST THAT YOUR OPINION ARE THE RIGHT ONE, TRASHING EVERYBODY ELSE.
I think McCain should win.. I mean Obama won't even say the pledge... IT's WRONG... McCain isn't much better but he is better then Obama..
But I will never vote even when I'm of age... I think our goverment it stupid.. I think that the US Gov't is a terrible thing..
MY OPINION ONLY!!!! If you won`t vote, I don`t think you have the right to complain about the government. Because you didn`t help decide it.
You are right about McCain. I think he`ll get it.
I won't vote because no matter what the Gov't will screw us over in the end..
I`m gonna vote just because I was raised that way.
My family is big on politics and all that crap.. I'm not.. lol
im not either, i hate it when all of the politice crap is on tv.
I hate it when the news people talk about things that they dont know the truth about.. pisses me off
GO YOU!!!
Anywayz.. I do believe I hate the gov't..
I GOT A CRUSH ON OBAMA!!!!!!
Yeah sorry to tell you but McCain doesn't do it for me. Even if Obama totally screwed the government more then it is now (which would be a great accomplishment considering where it is now) I would prefer someone in charge who would do something new and different rather then the same old same old, war taxes.....
What does McCain have: some war badges and a woman who says that abstinence is the only way and yet has a 17 year old daughter who's pregnant. If you can't even control you're family how can you control the county?
(And don't think I'm bashing vets cause I'm not. it's cause of them that i can sit comfy at my computer typing this)
And yeah, Obama has his own set of problems: lack of time in a public office, est.....
But really experience isn't the problem. People's true selves are showed when under pressure and I think Obama would do outstanding job. He's proven himself against the Clinton machine for god sakes!!!!!!!!! GIVE THE MAN SOME BROWNIE POINTS FOR THAT AT LEAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Okay about McCains daughter.. Its not rigth that people bring children into the elections.. and that just means McCain's daughter made a mistake.. but dont we all.. I mean I kno A LOT of people who had sex without marriage and the husbands left them.. and they turned out to be great moms.. plus think about it.. McCain is already dealing with todays issues... He might be able to change the rate of teen pregances..
The nagain KIDS SHOULD NOT BE TALKED ABOUT.. one of clintons daughters wasn't very pretty and the public kept calling her ugly and the news people did too.. if people said that about me around the freaking US I would kill myself..
It's not McCain's daughter, It's Palien's daughter. And they chose to put her in the spot light so she's there now. Too late.
But that's not my only problem with McCain. He chose Palien as a running mate for shock value not for actual value. Now people are like: Oh wow he chose a woman, he must be up-to-date and new like Obama....
Yeah tell that to the milions of families being crushed by gas prices( he keeps giving tax breaks to the gas compines) and the thousands of families with son's and daughter's over in Iraq (because he said, an I quote: If it takes a 100 years [to stablize Iraq] then we'll stay a 100 years)
I just don't buy it. I love politics and I don't say stuff in favor of a person because of their party. I say stuff in support (or lack of) of a person because what they stand for.
Yeah Obama will do things I don't agree with (like abortion for one) but what had Bush and all those people who claim to be against abortion done about stopping it? Nothing.
I think we should stay in Iraq until its over.. because last time we left a war site more than 60,000 soldiers died because the enemy knew we were leaving and attacked when most of our men and women were gone and killed the ones who stayed... I hate wars but i would rather out troops stayed over there.. and I understand how the mothers and fathers feel
* shrug* that's your opinion. And mine is we need to get the hell out of there ASAP.
I'm not saying pack up and run. That's just silly talk. But we need to be more realistic about what's going on. We're pouring billions( yes with a B) in this war every day and look at us. The middle east is less stable then before, everyone hates us and let's face it. with 9/11 just around the corner it reminds us how vulnerable we were and still are....
We need a plan, that includes a time table. I'm not saying we need to be out my 2010 or anything. But indefinitely just isn't acceptable at all.
And I think Obama will provide that. McCain already said we would stay indefinitely if he was prez.
I would rather the soldiers come back in a year and still alive then only half of them return home.. I mean I know a lot of people that are going there within the next 6 months and I know a couple who are already there... I would rather not see my brother for 6 years then never see him again..
Someone has to die. And that's the price we decided to pay when we got into this war.
If we had went into this war responsible, instead of guns blazing then we wouldn't have this problem. I'm sorry the chastise you for this but this war is wrong W.R.O.N.G. wrong.
And no matter how much we argue about this it doesn't change the fact that the middle east will always be unstable. We could stay 50 years but that doesn't mean that the government wont collapse under pressure. Bottom line. Us being there has actually fueled the fire and we still haven't realized that it's burning our mouths. We bit of something to big for us to chew and it's time to spit it out.
I agree on the war thing.. Its Gay Wrong Stupid Idiotic and utterly DUMB.. I think we should have never gotten into it.. but then again I would rather see us stay there for a little while then all of the soldiers come home at the same time.. that way less would die.. I just hate the thought of having to kill someone..
like I have a teacher who's son wanted to be a navy seal until he heard a story about what they have to do.. the Navy seal went to his guys house killed him.. then the dead guys wife was home and she was pregnant.. he had to kill the wife then stab the stomach to make sure the baby died quickly then he left..
Now that is whats wrong with war.. you always kill people.. and no one deserves to die like that no matter what they have done.. its just wrong.
and the Gov't doesn't realize the more time they stay there the more people sons and daughters they are killing.. someday the parents siblings and EVERYONE else who has had someone die in Iraq or in any war is going to take control... then where will we be.. We will have messed up lives. So in the end the Gov't has completely screwed us over.. and IT SUCKS..
well if you think that I don't know why you would even consider McCain. He wants to stay there was long until he thinks it's ok to leave, which will be never since there is always a problem between contires in the middle east......
Obama doesn't want to take all the troops out. He wants to take most of them out but leave some to train the people of Iraq to defend themselves and keep the peace.
Already a heated topic!
Well... If I was at age, and lived in America, I would DEFINITELY choose, OBAMA!
McCain, is JUST another one of those old geezers, that don't understand what they are doing, AND ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT THE FRIGGIN RESPECT OF THEIR COUNTRY.
S'crew respect, when a gigantic war in Iraq, is going on, making the soldiers of America, killers, murderes.
The war in Iraq, was one of the stupidest choices, America's president's, ever made.
South east, are EXTREMELY fragile. When America invaded Iraq, they stopped the Alquaidas regime, letting the heroine production go CRAZY! Now, Iraq, stand for 98% of the worlds supplies of heorine!
Obama rock! Hope he wins!
McCain judged Obama for being unexperienced, since he was trying to become prez in his first senator session, THEN, HE PICKS PALIEN, IN HER FIRST PERIOD, WHICH IS 42. HE EVEN CRITICIZED OBAMA FOR BEING TOO YOUNG, WHEN HE'S 47!!!!!
Wow... People are stupid...
Quote from: LavyBrown on September 11, 2008, 11:13:37 AM
Obama doesn't want to take all the troops out. He wants to take most of them out but leave some to train the people of Iraq to defend themselves and keep the peace.
LEAVE SOME THERE AND THEY WILL DIE.........
LEAVE ALL OF THEM AND MORE WILL DIE......
Personally I would prefer a few to die then many to die. If we have to stay there when why not reduce the risk of massive death by taking out most of the targets.
Last time we took out troops from a war I think it was the NK war not sure.. dont quote me on that.. but more then 60,000 men and women died because the enemy saw we were moving out and then attacked us..
and I would rather only a few die and we stay there.. then around 60,000 die in short period of time leaving there... plus they can shot down planes with people on them... Thats how my bother got hurt.. and so if we have a lot of planes with a lot of people on them.. then they could all die.. and then I would have to go over there and kill every single person.. bad or good..
How about we stay in the present.....
I'm tired of people thinking "There are American's over there....."
Yeah how about we get off our high stool and think about the hundreds of thousands of bystanders that have been killed since we got there. Innocent people who got in the middle of the cross fire. Correct me if I'm wrong but the latest stats are saying:
a little more then 3,200 American are dead and the civilian losses.....
Is about 1.2 million
(stats from http://whatthe.blogetery.com/index.php/2008/01/02/random-iraq-war-factsstats/)
Yeah I think we can see who's losing and who winning.....no one. There is not a soul on this plant earth who can convince me that staying is the right thing. You talk and talk about people dying in planes but everyone has to die. And I'm sure I'm not the only person who would rather die trying to get home then in the middle of a desert alone and surrounded by gunfire.
I am a proud Democrat, despite being only fifteen years old. I want Barack Obama to win not because of his race or whatever, but because I know he'll make a great president. My close friend came up to me and made a comment about Obama's speech and his comment to Palin. "You can put Lipstick on a pig...but in the end it'll still be a pig." He didn't make this to her. It's a quote, and she flipped out saying "He's gonna be in big trouble for that---your laughing?" Hehe. I was laughing. I thought it was hilarious.
She brought up that Obama is Pro-Choice. Doesn't mean I am. A woman has a right to do what she wants with her body though. I believe rape victims or people who could die because of the pregnancy should be allowed to have an abortion. The government shouldn't decide though. People should tell what is right and whats wrong.
Republicans are against Gay Marriage and Want guns. Now, think about how things would be without guns. AT ALL. True, people wouldn't have that great of a defense, but think about it.
You shoot a guy for entering your house. He gets shot through a major artery and bleeds to death. You would probably feel bad for killing a man. You might of been able to prevent that. Maybe bash him on the head with a skillet. Probably wouldn't feel so bad.
Ugh...I'm going to end this post now. I just typed a bulletin on myspace to piss off my friends for making comments today. ;)
I like no wait I LOVE guns they help protect us... and if the gov't says no guns the bad people will still get guns somehow... and before you raised that skillet high enough BOOM Sky's dead... see we NEED guns.. I love guns.. gosh.. us redneck would NEVER give up our guns anyway.. like right now my family has around 6 guns that people can see... So yea take our guns and it will be on..
And it's because of people who love their guns and refuse to give up their right to have them that there was terrorist in the world. People steal guns so if we aren't stealing them then the guns on the street will eventally be found.
Second Amendment is crap. Way back when it was made, yeah I would be the first to have a gun. There was a war going on and it was meant for minute men, who needed to be ready at a moments notice. But now we have an army for that. I'm a firm believer in guns don't kill people, people kill people. But lets not forget: People with guns shoot people. No one can argue with that little fact.
Needing and wanting are two different things. Don't confuse the two. Same with rights and privileges. Yeah the right to have a gun is in the book but it's still a privilege, that people should be willing to give up if it will make the general population safer.
i was gone for a day and a half and looked what happened.........
i have no comments on the war, it would be a very long post.
no please comment, look at some of my posts. this is the place for long posts
okay, you asked for it, prepare to be confused. (just an FYI: i dont usually use caps or punctuation in posts like these...)
i am just going to say now, i dont watch the news all the time, and i dont read the paper, and i hardly know why the war is going on, but i do know that the US soldiers have been in Iraq for a long time. i cant say anything about bringing the soldiers home, because i dont really know why they are there. but i do think that they should come home. there are some people over there that have been there for years. they deserve to come home to their families.
i think that if Obama becomes president, then he will be assasinated. he has already had multiple death threats. it would make such history if he did though. i think Obama is a very respectable man, so is McCaine.
what fudge said, people are stupid. people have always been stupid. you are lucky you dont live here. it is a wonderful place, but when the time comes around for a new president, its crap.
what Lavy said, war is wrong. its one of the most wrong ((excuse my bad grammer =] )) things ever. people dont deserve to go to war.
i agree with Obama on the thing about bringing home some of the troops, but keep some there.
i dont agree with what billie said about guns. and i agree with lavy. we have been watching 9-11 videos for a week now. guns just complicate things.
i end here, wow, that was my longest post ever.
Bottom line: McCain wont changed anything of importance(taxes, war, est.). Obama will
OBAMA '08
I dont like either of them.. So I will become president someday and make everything the way it should be..
how is everything supposed to be?
Not like it is now.. the US will be completely different.. but in a good way.. I would never do anything bad to the US.. jus the gov't... lol JK
if you where president and you did something bad to the government, then you would be doing something bad to yourself
Nope because I changed my mind I will never be president.. I'll be fighting with the other rednecks to see who gets to shoot the next president... lol JK JK JK JK JK
and you called me kooky...........
Thats right I call you kooky.... whatcha gonna do about it?? ?tehehe
I VOTE THAT WE GET RID OF THE GOV'T!!!
we cant do that, we`d fall apart. we just need a better gov
anarchy is a great concept but it has never worked in practice.
No form of government will ever be perfect, will it?
Absolutely not. How can it be? The creators of government (i.e. humans) are not perfect, so their creations cannot be.
The only hope we have is that those in control of our government have our well being in mind.
As for the who I'm going to vote for, that is strictly personal. I will say, however, that all of the candidates (Obama, McCain, and Nader) are not fit for office of President. Not until they go beyond a specific Party's ideas and learn to accept a good idea as just that! Not as a bad one because it came form another political party.
We need to step beyond the idea of political parties. They are simply a way to narrow down candidates. Whom you vote for should depend on the person, NOT the party.
That said, I will say nothing else.
Oh, except to Stacey. Even when posting a lengthy post, you should use correct grammar and such. It makes people view your opinion as much more than childish thoughts.
XD I`m sick right now Ginny!
And you are right ((in my opinion)) that you should vote for the person not the party.
Let's see... Obama or McCain? What... is my opinion?
Well, I am for guns. I feel comfortable knowing that any being with ill will making himself known to me (and he will should he choose to break in) will be dealt with a solution that is long and hiding in my closet. (Hey, it's Texas.) I know what some people may think: "A teenager with a gun in his closet?" Don't go any further. I am responsible, sane, and can deal with emotional distresses. I believe that people would be less willing to rob others if they knew that they had guns. (Feel free to refute me. I heard the arguments. I stand by my opinion.)
But that is just one opinion that must be affiliated when making my decision between Obama and McCain. What about the troops? The oil prices? Yadda this? Yadda that?
Screw having an opinion.
My opinion means nothing, and it has as much worth as yours. (No offense) I'm passive. I know of both candidate's intentions, and it seems that anything they do will have a negative effect. I really don't want to judge ALL Democrats but a lot of them have been so d**n self-righteously arrogant. And lots of Republicans have been real liars. I think both parties are fine parties, but both suffer from extreme representations who choose to associate themselves with them. (God knows this is true with religion.)
But hell, I should only concentrate on them candidates, right? Well, like I said before. I don't have an opinion, and I don't want one. In my life, I just want to enjoy it. Caring about politics will only make me disgruntled about a situation I have no say in, will never have a say in, with the exception being my vote. But hey, they got tons of those.
I am not quite sure of the circumstances of this stance is, but I think that the smart people will hate me, the dumb people won't care, and the dumb people who think they understand the magnitude of politics will hate me too. I'm prepared for the speech about how politics preys on people like me. Bring it if you like. Won't change anything.
That's not to say I don't have anything to refute. I have read some wonderfully ridiculous text from Democrats and Republicans. (Which includes some wonderfully ridiculous posts in this thread.) But why don't I refute? Because nothing good can come from it. An argument will result, followed by heated feelings, then that's it. What did I gain? Let me rephrase: what did I gain that was worthwhile?
Anyway, that's my opinion. I am a bit curious about how people react to this so, I wouldn't mind some thoughts about my stance.
I guess we just see things differently...in most ways.
Yeah I totally agree that politics can get people heated. But I kinda like that. It shows that we have a passion for something that controls our world. And just because I have to get this off my chest.... your vote will count. When they were fighting for woman to vote, one more guy voted in favor of woman when against....just an example for all those people out there who think one vote wont count (not referring to you specifically goblet)
I'm staying away from the gun subjust, you know my thoughts on it, I know yours. We're not going to change each others minds so lets just stop beating a dead horse.
Ummm...what else, oh, yeah. I kinda resent you saying that the smart people will hate you. I think if myself as a pretty smart person (and some people will disagree) but I think that my replies on this thread alone shows that I have some level of higher intelligences. And I don't hate you. I value your opinions, even if I don't agree with them. That, to me, is the mark of a true 'smart' person. Someone who can see the other side but not necessarly switch sides.
Wow we're kinds off the subjset of politics.......yeah I still want Obama.
Quote from: LavyBrown on September 16, 2008, 10:59:35 AM
We're not going to change each others minds so lets just stop beating a dead horse.
Heh, beating a dead horse.....*is imagining this with her morbid imagination* :P
lol Ginny, you're crazy
Quote from: I loves YOUz on September 14, 2008, 10:04:32 AM
I dont like either of them.. So I will become president someday and make everything the way it should be..
nice ;D
Oh, I think I went a little wrong when I said that the smart people would hate me. Allow me to rephrase. The passionate (not passionate, but THE passionate) will hate me.
(Oh crap. I forgot to post this last night.)
i still have to disagree though. It's nothing to do with passion. I would die breathing that Obama should win (not to say I would necessarily die for him). And I'm more passionate then the large majority of people about this subject.
But that doesn't mean that I can't see the other side. I'm really good at seeing others people stance(which might be the reason i don't get in fights with my friends) But that doesn't mean they can sway me. I still love you goblet. I don't love your ideas by a long shot but I would never hate you cause of what you stand for.
Hmmmm....maybe I'm just one in a million but whatever, that's what I think. I'm not just PASSIONATE I'm PASSIONATE and I still don't hate anyone. I just think they are seriously misguided.
FINE! ANOTHER REPHRASED STATEMENT!
The ones who are hateful hate and the accepters don't mind.
Get around that one, Lavy.
(Nah, I'm just joshing ya crazy.)
By the way (and not quite relevant), elephants are cooler than donkeys. They are big, gray, and have unique noses. Donkeys are so... barnyard.
Lol ok goblet you win with that one.....
and about the donkey and elephant.....yeah I love elephant's
*Whispers* but Donkeys make cool noises.. tehe
*whispers with her*The sounds they make, are REALLY cool!
Back To Topic!
Interesting fact!
If the population of the rest of the world could decide who that would become president,
Obama would CLEARLY had won!
exactly! but its not their problem now is it? so they chose someone by one little visit they make.
If you think that's why he would win then you don't know anything about politics. Believe it or not people in other countires actually cares who runs America because it's such a powerhouse. Our per capita (as one of my teachers so colorfully put it) is a freaking Juggernaut. Yeah the economy sucks but if you broke down how much money the America makes overall between everyone who lives here we would still be the richest country of earth by a landslide.
So if America wants something then dam*it the world better give it to us( as the same teacher said). That's wrong in my opinion but that's the way it is. People in other countries want Obama because they believe that he can make America more receptive to others needs. Not because he's been there more.
That`s not really what I tried to say. What I meant was that other countries really like Obama, and I think it`s because he has reached out to them more.
And the U.S. is very depentant on other countries. Like China, without China, we would break down.
It's called interdependent. If we suddenly stopped trading with China both economies would collapse. It's a two way street
One of the reasons I want Obama for prez, is, that he wants the war in Iraq over!
The time to take the forces out of Iraq, has come.
When Bush took over, and pushed Taliban away, he created, chaos.
Now, Iraq, hold over than 98% Per cent! of the worlds supplies of Heroin!
11th September should have given all of the U.S, a warning, instead, they took it like, Iraq is in a bad condition, we gotta go there. U.S started the war, and, U.S is responsible for it, and, U.S, is the one, that are gonna pay for it.
That's my opinion
I agree with Lavy on her last post.
Here's the thing. Politics is a dirty game.
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Oh and about the thing about us being dependent on countries, think about it the other way. Plenty of places are dependent on us. We are not the only country that needs supplies.
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LMAO
Yeah that's what interdependence means Sky
You guys should of seen my bulletin on myspace about the republican/democratic thing. I went off big time.
obama should be president! the war needs to end. people think we are helping them in iraq but they don't even want us there. we should just leave them alone.
also some say if we get out of iraq that iraq will try to attack us. i don't really think they would
but if we don't all our allies will leave us
one of the reasons our country is in debt is that we are spending so much for the war
McCain was 20 minutes away from my house yesterday. We drove by where he was to see my crazy aunt Betty and ended up stuck in traffic on the way home thanks to him.
This is slightly irrelevant, but do you think joining the National Guard when I am 17 or 18 is a wise choice?
Depends. Do you want to? if so then yes.. if not nope.. just to let you know.. they pay for college.. and a lot of other important things.
Yeah a man from there came to our school during lunch and explained it. He even gave me a book about it. So I read the brochures...and was interested when I found one that said adventure. I was like "Maybe this is the adventure I want." I dunno. 100% tuition is big. BIG big.
Don't join unless you plan to stick with it. Basic Training is HELL.
Not hell on Earth. Pure, unadulterated, HELL.
But if you are going to stick with it, I say GO FOR IT!
If my brother can make it.. you can..
Quote from: I loves YOUz on October 24, 2008, 05:01:35 AM
If my brother can make it.. you can..
Did your brother make it or fail misreably ;D LOl ;D ;D ;D
I personally don't like Mcain or Obama...
I actually really hate our entire nation's government
However, no matter who wins, I'm not going to complain since I wouldn't have voted for either of them anyway.
Quote from: Alexis on October 29, 2008, 09:30:01 AM
I personally don't like Mcain or Obama...
I actually really hate our entire nation's government
However, no matter who wins, I'm not going to complain since I wouldn't have voted for either of them anyway.
Yepp I'm the same as Alexis
Yeah...we might not have school the day after election because my teacher thinks theres going to be riots in Memphis hehe
Its all a load of crap to me.
But the good thing is, the day after election I have detention so maybe I wont have to go ^^
well I guess it doesn't matter what any of us think anymore since obama is president elect now
Yeah. GO OBAMA! :)
Quote from: I loves YOUz on September 11, 2008, 08:27:41 AM
I think McCain should win.. I mean Obama won't even say the pledge... IT's WRONG... McCain isn't much better but he is better then Obama..
But I will never vote even when I'm of age... I think our goverment it stupid.. I think that the US Gov't is a terrible thing..
atlest your a country not owned by England